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White Flint II – What is the Big Idea?

by rollin stanley on May 17th, 2011

Planners are making good progress on community planning work this spring. We transmitted the Planning Board draft of the Wheaton Sector Plan and an amendment to the Clarksburg plan focused on retail staging. Coming soon are Takoma Langley and Kensington, and, later this year, Burtonsville. And if our budget request is funded, Chevy Chase Lake will follow, then the start of several new plans over the next year including Glenmont, Gaithersburg East/the Montgomery Village Sector Plan and White Flint II.

I have been questioning staff as we embark on new planning efforts, asking, What is our Big Idea? What will this planning effort achieve? And, because we cannot ask these questions in a vacuum, What would we want to achieve without constraints versus with constraints?

My last post, “Federal Highways,” outlined the Montrose Parkway underpass (or overpass, depending upon which way you are traveling). The graphic below superimposes one of the sketch plans we received for a several-block area in the heart of White Flint over the area occupied by the Montrose underpass. It is apparent how much land the underpass “sterilized” for future growth, housing, revenue and more importantly, the real impact it has on the possibilities for the White Flint II area.

This graphic highlights how much land the Montrose Underpass occupies relative to the recently approved Federal Reality application for their Mid-Pike Plaza property immediately south of the road. It is visually obvious how much land is consumed vs. what this area could have achieved.

The White Flint II Sector Plan has as a major constraint that will dictate what can be achieved. That constraint is the barrier the underpass has created. It is, in effect, White Flint’s Berlin Wall.

I visited the Berlin wall in November 1989 immediately as the one small section opened. Even with Christmas approaching at that time of year, on the other side of the wall it was very dark and void of activity. Not a whole lot different that the image of 355 (below) as it takes up over a ¼ mile of landscape that nobody will want to walk. Will we think twice about the Montrose Underpass after 30 years? photo by Dennis Moretto.

Ten or 15 years from now, as White Flint hits its stride, there will be plenty of destinations drawing people into the area. Some will take transit, but most will drive. They will seek out parking and walk along new pedestrian-friendly streets lined with windows and activity. Many will work and live in this emerging community.

Will those same people look north to the White Flint II area and say, “Hey, let’s go shop or eat over there?” And if they are making this decision, will they walk? No way. It will be a barrier just like the photo above. As the new streets and activities emerge in White Flint, they will not extend the grid across the underpass.

Would you really drive one-quarter or one-half mile north and find a new parking spot in White Flint II to shop or eat? It’s unlikely you’d find something there that will not already be in White Flint. And this is the challenge of White Flint II. What can it become? What can happen there that will make it distinct from White Flint?

This question would be different if the Montrose / 355 intersection had remained at grade. The street grid could have extended north to south. The building infrastructure could have created a seamless transition across the intersection, not much different than say Georgia and Colesville Road in Silver Spring. People could and would walk across the area into White Flint II because the transition would be lined with active uses day and evening.



The Montrose Underpass simply reinforces the view that Rockville Pike is a runway to get through White Flint vs. moving through the area as a destination itself. Keep in mind that for a driver in a car to make eye contact with a pedestrian, they have to be travelling at about 23 mph (30 kph). So as long as we keep building our roads as expressways, we prevent the opportunity for “engaged” streets where a number of activities coexist safely.

So as we prepare to look at the White Flint II area, we have to take a hard look at what is possible. We have White Flint becoming known as NoBe (North of Bethesda), we have Rockville to the north, with White Flint II mostly in the middle. Will it be SORo (South of Rockville) or can it establish it’s own identity? Can we expect the same demand for high-rise construction in White Flint II as in WF I? Will traffic modeling reveal that White Flint I occupies the bulk of the available and projected road capacity?

Or should we expect more like Twinbrook Station, a recent successful project north and east of White Flint at lower densities with a residential focus? Should this be the future of White Flint II, with splashes of retailing that are more convenience-focused than destination oriented? Will there still be a market for destination retail like the Container Store north of Montrose?

White Flint I and White Flint II sector plan areas

Several property owners own land both north and south of Montrose.  How they lease south of the road in White Flint I – whether to big box retailers or smaller retail – will have a big impact on what happens to the north in White Flint II.  That model does not fit into the urban character of White Flint.  Property owners will lease according to the market, and will avoid investments that  compete  with other uses in the area.  This will not only impact the retail market but the residential market as well.

If White Flint I is to be higher density condo and rental, there may not be enough market share for both areas in the next 15 years.  Perhaps White Flint II will be about managing expectations, meaning it may take awhile for the collective vision to emerge.  This is the approach that we are investigating for the Long Branch neighborhood, where the near and long term goals are differentiated by the actions we can take to create incremental change.

Maybe 20 years from now the Montrose underpass may be MoCo’s elevated expressway. The mistake realized decades later in places like Seattle, Toronto and San Francisco, where lots of money was invested to reverse the damage and open up new opportunities for creating better environments for people, not autos.

Several years ago, a portion of the one elevated expressway that reached downtown Toronto was torn down, about 1.5 miles of it. Support is now building to take down the rest. This is one of the locations around the world where the benefits of tearing down 1950/’60s era transportation infrastructure has and will open up new economic opportunities that also meld well with the greening of urban areas.

There are lots of things to consider when we start the White Flint II Sector Plan.We hope for engaged conversations with property owners, residents and business operators — all of whom will help guide the possibilities that White Flint II can be.

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3 Comments
  1. Rod Lawrence permalink

    Not only is it a barrier, it was an expensive barrier when you include the opportunity cost. The land around a grade separated interchange could have been some of the most valuable sites in the County at what would have been considered a Main and Main location. What cost the County $50 million could have made them $50 million in land proceeds to use on other vital county needs.

  2. That’s pure double-talk to confuse elevated and below ground level grade seperation.

    The 355 bridge is well done- but imcomplete- give it a set of semi circle lids, and lower the Montrose Parkway below for a new overpass for Hoya, and cover Montrose Parkway between Hoya and 355 to develop a superior urban environment.

    http://wwwtripwithinthebeltway.blogspot.com/2011/05/white-flint-interchange-can-become.html

  3. richard permalink

    If the 355 Interchange is compared to the Berlin Wall then what is the VA 7/VA 123 Interchange and the I-495 HOT Lanes/Interchange Expansions throughout Tysons Corner being compared to????????????

    Something to think about………

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